It is not gonna work....911

[Amy Joe]

I am going to put the Beagle up for adoption. I have already made all the calls to start the process. Today when my mother was here the Beagle snapped at the pitt and started a fight. Neither my mother nor I could break it up. Pitt was taking it, on the floor taking it.

DD woke up and came up stairs and was able to break it up. As we were seperating them the Beagle went around her and attacked again. This time the pitt had enough.

I called 911 to send in someone...animal control, police, I did not care cause there was blood everywhere and the pitt was gonna kill the Beagle.

After DD hosed them completely soaked they seperated long enough to pick up the pitt and put out side till we got help. This was all in a matter of about 7 minutes.

Animal Control came. Checked out the Beagle who has bit marks on his neck. Nothing that needs stitches. Checked over the pitt. Then with the pitt leashed, re-introduced eachother so he could see.

Pitt on the floor again with his paw in the air and the Beagle was at him. AC guy said keep them seperate, told us no matter what we do the beagle is gonna be aggressive so he advised us to put him with another home.

I just don't understand. 2 days of total peace.....this really really sucks, stinks....just friggin' upsetting. I can't even clean up the beagle he's still pissy. My kitchen is destroyed, broken stuff everywhere, gross floors from dog pee, blood and gallons of water.

At this point my body just can not do it. I have surrendered, given up. Physcially and mentally I'm cooked. If I had been alone I know I would have stroked.....I am grateful 911 call was responded with in about 5 minutes, I know I have that.

Amy Joe

[lori1218]

I AM SO SORRY!!!

I know that not much I say is going to make you feel better right now...

Just know we are here for you....

This just plain stinks.


Take care of yourself,Amy Joe..that is a must do!

God Bless,
Lori

[Amy Joe]

I can't do it. My Beagle is sick and he is MY dog. I have had him for over 6 yrs. I love very very much the Pitt pup Reese. However he was dumped on me by my Ex-SIL, I have asked him to get the dog but he won't. I have asked for money to help and he won't. I have tried to make it work.....it won't.

I spoke with an expert Pitt rescue trainer tonight. Since the Pitt fought back, it's only gonna get worse. I do not have the training on how to properly continue raising him. I can give him all the love in the world and still not get it right. She told me to keep them seperate for the night and a rescue team will come to my house tomorrow.

I am sick, angry oh so angry. It's the right thing to do and I know it. I bought my Beagle, promised to care for him and I have been...I can't just walk away when he's sick.

I pray Reese gets placed with the right owner. A person that will love him as I do plus train him properly. I hope God forgives me cause I so so much love him but I can not chance it or abandon my Beagle...

Amy Joe



He is so hurt right now.

[syrinx48]

Hi Amy Joe,

I feel so sorry for you in this situation. It is always hard to make such a decision. You love them both and as an animal lover it is almost impossible to do this.

But you have to choose for you! You are the one who is suffering and can't do that because of your condition. You comes in the first place, after that your family and then a bit of nothing and then at last the dogs. That is what someone ones told me. The dog comes as the last one, before all others because it is an animal. Even though that some animals are more trustfull and a better companion as a human sometimes can be!!!

I have 2 dogs, 2 labradors and hopefully I won't have to choose the way you have to do! They are my companions, just as your beagle is for over 6 years. That count for something!

My oldest labrador had her birthday yesterday. She is quite an old lady now, 14 year of age!! The younger one, a male, is 4 years and always jealous when I give my oldest one some attention. Always tries to come between, but I won't let him.

Thinking of you in this difficult situation and while making your decision.

Annemarie

[wendi]

I am so sorry you are going thru this. I do feel you made the right choice. You had the beagle first and the Pitt was hoisted on you. He is a pup and will do well in the right home. I don't think the beagle would do as well. He has been with you a long time now and deserves to stay in the only home he knows.

Don't worry, the Pitt will have a wonderful life in his new home. The rescue will place him in a home that loves Pitts and wants one.

Take care,
Wendi

[phyrehawke]

Oh Amy, I am SO sorry. You have really tried hard and done your best, but you really don't need this kind of stress...or risk of injury...in your life.
These kinds of problems are why my NS put his foot down and said I could no longer work with dogs, but especially never with large dogs...can't own one either. I even have to be careful with guests and my 30 lb sheltie mix because I've trained her not to jump on me or bump me in the chin, but if kids get to playing with her too rough she forgets her manners.

I am still glad that you are not putting the dogs down, but just finding different homes. I know this has got to be SO heartwrenching for you.
Hugs,
Rozanne/phyre

[Amy Joe]

Well the rescue is out.....they have a LONG wait list. Holy Moly what a horrid day.....I aint got no tears left in me.

I have been told that if he went to a shelter until a foster home became available....only 1 in 600 ever leave alive. I can't do that.

Put the Beagle in a shelter.....he won't live either.

The email came today for approval to get Reese Neutered for free down in boston. 1 good piece of news!

Nicky, can be Neutered March 2nd at a low cost facility only a few towns away. Another hopeful.

OMG if my NS, NL and PCP ever knew the stress......they might put me in the hospital till it's all sorted out.

I can not choose who lives and who dies. I can get them both neutered and try again. I really have no other option....DD is 100% willing to keep A DOG with her downstairs. We are gonna have to keep them seperate for most of the day and night...

Once Nicky has healed we will with my husband in a few days ON leashes walk them together....see how it goes.

If we can keep them until my son finds a home to buy, they were just pre-approved!! He will take the Beagle.....So I am going to do my best to make this work over the next 90 days.......I will not let 1 die at a shelter, not gonna take a chance they don't go to a foster home. I would rather put my own health at risk, yes sound's stupid and un-responsible however I gotta have faith in God to keep me safe.

[Janice]

Sorry that plan didn't work Amy Joe. My prayers are with you for safety and workable solution for you, and both dogs. I'm so sorry you're going through all this difficulty w/the dogs, which in turn isn't helping your pain and symptoms at all.

Not wanting to choose which dog lives isn't a decision I'd want to make either. You're not alone there.

Keep us posted, I'll keep praying for you all.

Take care, as you said, your faith will get you through. GOD does provide, one step at a time. Something has got to give, and none of us want it to be at your risk, safety or health. (((((Prayers, Love & Hugs)))))

[angie7]

As a fellow animal lover and rescuer myself, I think rehoming this dog would be increadibly dangerous. He sounds on the far end of dog aggression and he is absolutely not safe to put up for adoption. A shelter would euthanize him b/c of this. What if the new owner was walking your beagle and a small child passed that was walking a dog and that beagle went after that dog and that child was attacked in the process? This happens more times then you think. I have been involved in dog rescue, mainly with Great Danes for several years now, heavily involved before my dx and I can ensure you, it's not just your pit bull your beagle has a problem with. He is what we call, a liability. If you rehome the beagle and he does attack another dog or a child, they could come back to you for selling or adopting them a very aggressive dog. The best thing for you to do is to euthanize him. I know it's hard, I had to do it to an extremely abused rescue Dane that I had for 2 years. I worked and worked with him to pull him out of his aggression. He was aggressive towards women mostly. He went after my pregnant belly and that was the last straw, we put him down the next day. He was only 4 years old. It was so hard seeing a "healthy" dog die but I had to remember that while he is healthy on the outside, his mind is very sick.

You really need to think about this long and hard. Most people are not going to take a dog aggressive dog and you MUST let them know that before you give him up or they will most certainly come back on you when not if there is an incident. If you can't take him to the vet and have it done, turn him over to AC, they will euthanize him for you.

{{{hugs}}}

Edited: I just read where neither dog is fixed??? Wow. no wonder you have so many problems and I can't believe you let it get this bad and still have intact dogs running around your house.......

Edited again: DO NOT put those 2 dogs together again. They will continue to fight and so far you are incredibily lucky your pit bull has not killed your beagle yet. Pits are very tough dogs that will only handle so much and could easily kill the beagle in one blow. Please be responsible and do not put those 2 dog together again, it's just a matter of time before they do it again and next time, you could kill them both. I am not a novice pet owner, I've done countless rescue work, worked with severly abused dogs, trained many dogs including my own, DO NOT put them together again. Everytime your beagle attacks your pit, your pit is being traumitized and could very easily turn into a fear biter. Be responsible here and leave them seperated 100% of the time or euthanize the beagle.

Sorry if this seems harsh, Amy Joe but this is one thing that gets me on my soap box faster then anything. I know you love these dogs but think with your head, not your heart. You are severaly traumitizing your pit and turning your beagle into an extremely aggressive dog that will have to be put down sooner or later. You are not picking which one lives or dies, the aggressor needs to go and that is your beagle. Do the right thing here for both you, your family and the dogs that are being traumitized everyday. It's not fair to any of you.

[phyrehawke]

Yes, Amy and I talked about that neutering issue. I kinda thought maybe the beagle had been neutered when you took them to the Vet the other day? My bad making that assumption.
Since the aggression is continuing...and it will continue until at least *2 weeks* after 1 or both is neutered, when the scent fades and the testosterone subsides...I would definitely advise keeping them totally separated from one another. Then we can talk about how to re-introduce them in a way that limits their capacity for bad behavior.

I hate to recommend that any dog be put down, but I've done it before. I still don't think these need to be put down...yet. Getting them neutered may make all the difference in the world. I call it "testosterone poisoning"! (lol)
In the meantime, give the beagle's meds some more time to work. One of those meds needs 2-3 weeks to really kick in.

Rozanne/phyre

[Amy Joe]

Thanks for ALL the information. I hate it being a money thing cause I would have them both chopped right now. So for the next month or so we are gonna rotate between apartments.....

Angie I hear you loud and clear.....believe me I have considered this with my Beagle. I have to do my part and get him fixed, let his Lymes med and Prozac work first. Then after the cool down period on both parts of being neutered.....then if it continues I can say I did EVERYTHING.

I keep praying....gotta gather funds....keep the appointments and maybe things will work out. If it was 24/7 fighting I would have put him down a long time ago...

Thank you all so very much for hugs, support and tough facts!

Amy Joe

[youngwife]

As a fellow animal lover and rescuer myself, I think rehoming this dog would be increadibly dangerous. He sounds on the far end of dog aggression and he is absolutely not safe to put up for adoption. A shelter would euthanize him b/c of this. What if the new owner was walking your beagle and a small child passed that was walking a dog and that beagle went after that dog and that child was attacked in the process? This happens more times then you think. I have been involved in dog rescue, mainly with Great Danes for several years now, heavily involved before my dx and I can ensure you, it's not just your pit bull your beagle has a problem with. He is what we call, a liability. If you rehome the beagle and he does attack another dog or a child, they could come back to you for selling or adopting them a very aggressive dog. The best thing for you to do is to euthanize him. I know it's hard, I had to do it to an extremely abused rescue Dane that I had for 2 years. I worked and worked with him to pull him out of his aggression. He was aggressive towards women mostly. He went after my pregnant belly and that was the last straw, we put him down the next day. He was only 4 years old. It was so hard seeing a "healthy" dog die but I had to remember that while he is healthy on the outside, his mind is very sick.

You really need to think about this long and hard. Most people are not going to take a dog aggressive dog and you MUST let them know that before you give him up or they will most certainly come back on you when not if there is an incident. If you can't take him to the vet and have it done, turn him over to AC, they will euthanize him for you.

{{{hugs}}}

Edited: I just read where neither dog is fixed??? Wow. no wonder you have so many problems and I can't believe you let it get this bad and still have intact dogs running around your house.......

Edited again: DO NOT put those 2 dogs together again. They will continue to fight and so far you are incredibily lucky your pit bull has not killed your beagle yet. Pits are very tough dogs that will only handle so much and could easily kill the beagle in one blow. Please be responsible and do not put those 2 dog together again, it's just a matter of time before they do it again and next time, you could kill them both. I am not a novice pet owner, I've done countless rescue work, worked with severly abused dogs, trained many dogs including my own, DO NOT put them together again. Everytime your beagle attacks your pit, your pit is being traumitized and could very easily turn into a fear biter. Be responsible here and leave them seperated 100% of the time or euthanize the beagle.

Sorry if this seems harsh, Amy Joe but this is one thing that gets me on my soap box faster then anything. I know you love these dogs but think with your head, not your heart. You are severaly traumitizing your pit and turning your beagle into an extremely aggressive dog that will have to be put down sooner or later. You are not picking which one lives or dies, the aggressor needs to go and that is your beagle. Do the right thing here for both you, your family and the dogs that are being traumitized everyday. It's not fair to any of you.

I 100% agree.

[syrinx48]

Hi Amy Joe,

I totally agree too! Just an anecdote; my sister has always have dobermans. Once one holiday we were waiting to get into a restaurant. Our seats which were reserved because of the dog (most people are afraid of them because of how they look and the movies they are making with them give them a bad image)were still be occupied so we waited outside. Suddenly there were children playing and one of them jumped over the dog, who was lying flat on the ground. The dog snapped at the child, didn't bite, but just gave a warning. We hadn't seen it happening so fast as all went.

My sister didn't trust the behaviour and her husband, who is a dogtrainer, said to go to the vet. After examining the dog and many X-rays, it hapened that the dog had wobbler syndrom, which happens to be very painfull. The dog, only 4 years of age, had to be put to sleep. It was heartbroken.
So when a dog is ill, you can't trust him, but you are also not sure about the outcome, just as my sister wasn't. I think she did the right thing, and perhaps your beagle is in a lot of pain too, and react to that.

Annemarie

[tattoodlb1]

Oh boy.... I never realized either that NEITHER dog was neutered........ what a catastrophy!!!! This is very important..... and you know by now Amy Joe that no matter how much you love your dogs, Love is not the answer with mother nature.... practicality is..... seeing things through your dogs eyes..... "Hey, I have the equipment, but I can't use it?"""" how would a man feel? Yup, fighting all the time. Keep them separate, and unfortunately, it sounds like there is alot of other stuff going on now...

Yeah, the shelters are full because of the economy, everyone that had a pet and coudln't keep it due to losing a job or whatever just dumps them... or turns them loose....

I know you are trying; but REALLY, it is our duty to spay/neuter at 6 months of age...... no matter what. I gave you the name of my vet in Fitchburg, Dr. Dubin, should be able to refer you to a low cost/free clinic..... and I'm sure she could even help place either dog faster than a shelter.

Keep them apart at all costs for a while, about a month..... or get rid of one. The Beagle shouldn't be punished by having to leave your home when you've had him the longest..... I would get rid of the pitt because you can't get house insursnace if you own a pitt bull.....I've tried when we had a "trial period" of having one.

Dogs also need daily exercise... and I think with your condition 1 dog is all you can realistically handle.... be honest with yourself..... I know that is hard.... for everyone... we think, "Yeah, I can handle this".... but in reality, we can't. You did try... and I wholly agree with Angie... either dog is now a liability to be adopted out. They each now have a taste for going after other dogs.....when the mood strikes. Just breaking up the fight is not enough. The follow-through is important, too.

Your dd should keep the pitt because it was her hubby who wanted it, right?.... and you should keep your beagle...... but still get them both neutered.

Putting an animal down is hard, whether they are sick or aggressive.....I have had to deal with both.... it sucks. It seems unfair, but the most unfair thing is letting them live stressful, unhappy lives... they can't talk to us, so we must read their signs.

I care for you a lot Amy Joe, you have helped me a whole bunch in the past, I feel that I owe you honesty and help in return.... dog fights are dangerous, scary, and if there is another one; you could find yourself in the hospital.

I would put the beagle in a pen/crate (you can find one on Craig's list) and clean your house; get the beagle used to being in his own little Den (put a nice blanket in there, his favorite chew toy, treats, etc, make it like a fun time) and get him used to it... he should sleep in there at night if at all possible... dogs like dens..... and can even come to love being in their own space. That could go a long way to helping him calm down. If your Beagle has Lyme, that HURTS, and that could also be a trigger in his fights.

I hope this has been helpful..... I don't check here often... I try to keep busy with loads of other stuff.... but I miss you guys...and see that I have missed a bunch of stuff!!!!!

If you guys can't handle the dogs... I think euthanasia is best for the one you can't keep......they are both liabilities...... I'm sorry to say that, but as Angie pointed out, it's true..... you NEVER know what is in a dog's mind. Even the most even-tempered golden retreiver can attack......

I wish you the best... I would also love to be able to take your beagle (after he is neutered), but I would have to ask Matt first..... I have 3 cats.... and I have 12 years of chow chow experience and have had other dogs in the past...... who knows.....at least I would have a dog to go out walking with when I can. !!!

[angie7]

tattoodlb1--

while I mostly agree with your post, the bias you have against pits drips in your post and the other post on her other thread. I understand that not everyone has had good experiences with pits but they are not a vicious, blood thirsty killing machine that people think they are. I'm sure you know that they need to be trained to be aggressive, they are not born mean. They are a very stubborn breed, but so is my husky laying at my feet right now but that doesn't make her vicious. Pits are good fighting dogs b/c of their stubborness, their will to please their owner and also their incredible jaw strength (which btw is not the strongest in the canine world)

Senority means nothing when animals are fighting. The animal that is causing the problems goes, period. No way am I going to rehome a dog that is a victim. I don't agree with rehoming aggressive dogs anyways, I strongly believe they should be put down. I've seen to many turn that were suppose to be "rehabbed". Neutered or not, this was a situation that was in the extreme. No offense Amy Joe, but when novice owners try to handle a situation such as this and do not understand dog behavior, this is bound to happen. It's unfornuate but is very common. The pit is not aggressive, he is a victim in this that has been traumatized. No reason he should lose his life unless this has caused major aggression. Given the fact that the pit has not killed or severly injured the beagle, is a sign the pit was just defending himself. I gave her tips to help him rebound after this trauma so that he will be a well rounded pet for her.

Hopefully this situation will end now that the beagle is leaving and the pit is getting fixed soon and re-socialized. But please don't paint this wonderful, loving breed with the same brush stroke.

And the home owner's ins is a joke. It is just a safe guard, huskies, boxers, labs, dalmations, great danes, german shephards, dobies plus many others are all on the list of "dangerous dogs". I have 4 inside dogs now that are listed on there, granted 3 are mixed with one of those breeds except my Great Dane. I couldn't get ins on our new house b/c there is a wood burner in the garage....like it's going to explode or something? I also couldn't have a trampoline. It's just a safe guard for them, everything is seen as a liabilty.

Amy Joe made the right decision in getting rid of the beagle. Never doubt yourself Amy Joe. I'm sorry you were put in this situation but it is what it is and you handled the best way you could.